{"id":3177,"date":"2018-05-07T02:59:38","date_gmt":"2018-05-07T02:59:38","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/narcissismcured.com\/thencmarriage\/?p=3177"},"modified":"2018-09-03T06:33:40","modified_gmt":"2018-09-03T06:33:40","slug":"how-do-i-not-let-a-narcissist-affect-me","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/narcissismcured.com\/thencmarriage\/narcissist\/self-help-for-narcissism\/how-do-i-not-let-a-narcissist-affect-me\/","title":{"rendered":"How do I not let a narcissist affect me?"},"content":{"rendered":"<h2 class=\"p1\"><a href=\"https:\/\/narcissismcured.com\/thencmarriage\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/how-to-not-let-a-narcissist-affect-you.jpg\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-3178\" src=\"https:\/\/narcissismcured.com\/thencmarriage\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/how-to-not-let-a-narcissist-affect-you-300x214.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"300\" height=\"214\" srcset=\"https:\/\/narcissismcured.com\/thencmarriage\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/how-to-not-let-a-narcissist-affect-you-300x214.jpg 300w, https:\/\/narcissismcured.com\/thencmarriage\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/how-to-not-let-a-narcissist-affect-you-150x107.jpg 150w, https:\/\/narcissismcured.com\/thencmarriage\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/how-to-not-let-a-narcissist-affect-you-768x549.jpg 768w, https:\/\/narcissismcured.com\/thencmarriage\/wp-content\/uploads\/2018\/05\/how-to-not-let-a-narcissist-affect-you-1024x731.jpg 1024w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a><a href=\"https:\/\/www.quora.com\/How-do-I-not-let-a-narcissist-affect-me\/answer\/Tami-McConnell-2\"><span class=\"s1\">How do I not let a narcissist affect me?<\/span><\/a><\/h2>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">This Quora article (link above) has recently been discussed at length in <a href=\"https:\/\/thelovesafetynet.com\/group-support\/\">our private members area<\/a>.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Following are a few thoughts on it, along with a bit of an update of what has been happening in Steve and my lives in the past few months. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">The article states . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><em><span class=\"s1\">The person you initially believed the narcissist was . . .<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>doesn&#8217;t exist\u201d <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">X<\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">This statement implies that Narcissistic tendencies are the sign of an all pervading and static personality type (which I know is a common viewpoint) but we disagree. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\"><strong>For instance;<\/strong> when Steve is feeling calm and safe with me, he is a very different man to the one I live with at times when he is emotionally triggered (I remember times when this has lasted for weeks and even months in the past) and feeling the need to retreat into false pride (or might we even say narcissistic defence?).<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Just because the person Steve becomes when he is emotionally triggered can be selfish and unbridled, doesn\u2019t mean the good person he is when he is calm and feeling connected should have his existence denied. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">I would argue it is the habitual emotional responses of people with narcissistic tendencies (rather than than their personality) which makes this behaviour appear so static, <em>because emotional responses are difficult to change.\u00a0<\/em><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">The reason they are difficult to change, and I state this repeatedly throughout our work, is that our amygdala\u2019s response to certain triggers happens faster than our reasoning brain can catch. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">The fact &#8216;the hare\u2019 (our amygdala or emotional brain) is so much faster than &#8216;the tortoise\u2019 (our pre frontal cortex or reasoning brain), creates a situation where we must be vigilant in watching and interpreting about our own and our loved ones emotional triggers if we want our negative reactions to fear or scarcity (real or perceived) to improve. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><em><span class=\"s1\">(Note: This work is what we focus on and support each other with in <a href=\"https:\/\/thelovesafetynet.com\/group-support\/\">my master class<\/a>.)<\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"s1\"><strong>For example;<\/strong> Watching Supernanny in the example below, we see that parents trying to reason with children who are emotionally triggered rarely works.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span class=\"wpex-responsive-media\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"container-lazyload preview-lazyload container-youtube js-lazyload--not-loaded\"><a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/rR7VOByEubk\" class=\"lazy-load-youtube preview-lazyload preview-youtube\" data-video-title=\"Parents Have Lost Control Of Angry Children  | Supernanny\" title=\"Play video &quot;Parents Have Lost Control Of Angry Children  | Supernanny&quot;\">https:\/\/youtu.be\/rR7VOByEubk<\/a><noscript>Video can&#8217;t be loaded because JavaScript is disabled: <a href=\"https:\/\/youtu.be\/rR7VOByEubk\" title=\"Parents Have Lost Control Of Angry Children  | Supernanny\">Parents Have Lost Control Of Angry Children  | Supernanny (https:\/\/youtu.be\/rR7VOByEubk)<\/a><\/noscript><\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Instead parents who want to teach their children better emotional regulation need to put a disciplinary routine in place and repeat it each time their child&#8217;s emotions spin out of control. Through repetition of this routine, the child learns that emotions are a poor tool for negotiation. If they wish to have \u2018a seat at the negotiation table\u2019 they need to learn not to yell, scream or use insults to get their way and instead take time out to self soothe (calm themselves down) when they become upset.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>This\u00a0<span class=\"s1\">routine<\/span> is demonstrated a little over 1 minute into the movie below:<\/p>\n<p><span class=\"wpex-responsive-media\"><\/p>\n<div class=\"container-lazyload preview-lazyload container-youtube js-lazyload--not-loaded\"><a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=DONNgEBAlSE\" class=\"lazy-load-youtube preview-lazyload preview-youtube\" data-video-title=\"How to Implement a Routine and Use the Naughty Step | Supernanny\" title=\"Play video &quot;How to Implement a Routine and Use the Naughty Step | Supernanny&quot;\">https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=DONNgEBAlSE<\/a><noscript>Video can&#8217;t be loaded because JavaScript is disabled: <a href=\"https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=DONNgEBAlSE\" title=\"How to Implement a Routine and Use the Naughty Step | Supernanny\">How to Implement a Routine and Use the Naughty Step | Supernanny (https:\/\/www.youtube.com\/watch?v=DONNgEBAlSE)<\/a><\/noscript><\/div>\n<p><\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">A modified version of this routine can be applied to teenagers and adults with similar effect. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">We may not be able to impose a <em>time out<\/em> on another adult like parents can with a child, but we can certainly make a decision to refrain from reasoning with a person who is using emotion as a means of trying to get their way (emotional manipulation) and explain that we are not prepared to talk until the emotional manipulation stops.<\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#8220;I am not prepared to discuss this until you are ready to talk to me respectfully and consider my needs as well,&#8221; is a very basic version of what is basically an adult disciplinary\u00a0<span class=\"s1\">routine.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p>Similar to children this routine needs to be delivered with an authoritative voice every time the emotional manipulation starts. It also needs to be stuck to without compromise. You will be reasonable and consider anything put on the table, but only under the condition that your person and needs will be respected in the process.<\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Moving along, the next quote from the article above I would like to comment on is towards the end. It says . . .<\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><em><span class=\"s1\">When all of this finally makes sense to you, when you&#8217;ve finally healed, you will no longer care what the narcissist says or does. You become immune to the lies, the poison, the vile rhetoric they spew in seemingly endless supply.\u201d <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">X<\/span><\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Again I disagree. We should <em>never become immune to disrespect.<\/em>\u00a0This kind of immunity is not a sign of healing but rather of prolonged emotional abuse. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">In this situation I would suggest something closer to this; <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Notice what has triggered the vile rhetoric. <\/span><span class=\"s1\">What is it they want from you that is causing them to tantrum in this way?<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Is it something you are able and happy to provide if they were more more polite about it? Or is it something bad for themselves and your family?<span class=\"Apple-converted-space\">\u00a0 <\/span>Is it something you really need to provide for them? Or is it something they really should be giving themselves instead?<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">In our household the bad behaviour had taken hold again recently, while I was away from home a lot more than usual for almost a year, taking care of my mother leading up to her death. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">If I had listened to the lies (instead of watching the triggers) I would have swallowed a whole bunch of very negative (and I believe unfair) assessments of myself that had started to come my way.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Instead, by keeping a diary and watching the triggers and tuning into (and prioritising) my own needs, these important issues in our household have been addressed;<\/span><\/p>\n<ol>\n<li><span class=\"s1\">I had to face that after giving so much time to my mother, instead of getting back to work or getting time to rest after her death, my own family needed my urgent help and attention. I decided it was important I put all other work aside until order had been restored in our lives.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"s1\">Steve needed my help to choose the right assistant to help him get his book keeping and taxes up to date.<\/span><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"s1\">Steve needed to stop playing \u2018one man band\u2019 in managing everyone at the motel (our workplace and home) and accept my help putting an organisational chart in place that deferred authority to the right people. <\/span><\/li>\n<li><span class=\"s1\">Steve needed time away from the motel with his new assistant to get his books and our taxes up to date. <\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Our son needed to accept a limit that we do not think he is emotionally mature enough to be driving yet and that if he wants further assistance getting his driver&#8217;s license he needs to demonstrate more maturity by displaying better emotional regulation and self control.<\/span><\/li>\n<li class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">With many responsibilities deferred to others at the motel; and the systems we both need to get our work done without too much talking and time wasting now in place; Steve was finally in a position to be successfully challenged to step back more fully into his role of husband and father. <\/span><\/li>\n<\/ol>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Further actions that have come from this:<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">a. Steve now takes my son&#8217;s cell phone and laptop away at bedtime and does not return them the next day unless our son is up and ready for school on time.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">b. Steve refuses to provide pocket money (even for lunch) on days where our son has spoken aggressively to us.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">c. I refuse to negotiate with anyone who uses emotional manipulation (positive or negative) to try and get what they want from me. I don\u2019t talk about it and am ready with scripts. If my son accuses me of not listening I say \u201cYes you are 100% right. I will listen when you are ready to talk to me respectfully.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><em><span class=\"s1\">I should also add that the kind of change I describe here cannot be achieved by always just walking away from the fight. <\/span><\/em><\/p>\n<h3 class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Figure out what it is that is truly worth fighting for<\/span><\/h3>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">With Steve I saw that his narcissistic behaviour was always triggered around decision making. While I was spending most of my time away taking care of mum, a culture had re emerged in our home and business where the men around me had come to feel they could negotiate by being impatient and rude. If I tried to talk and calm things down, Steve would then blame his impatience on me \u2018always wanting to talk for too long\u2019. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">So yes, I did have to ignore the lies the Quora article above addresses, while also seeing that although the problem was not really me talking too much, talking was\u00a0still a trap. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Once in narcissistic defence, Steve\u2019s bad side would lure me into talking. He didn&#8217;t really want to resolve things however. Instead Steve would pretend that he did not understand or he just wouldn&#8217;t listen and make me continually repeat myself.\u00a0 After that he would get angry and turn me talking for too long into the reason that he was angry about instead of looking at the negative culture that had crept in. This in turn would make me angry.<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">After noticing\u00a0 these triggers and the trap I had been walking into, I stopped talking and started walking my talk instead. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Since Steve was complaining he had no time to talk, I stopped asking for his opinion or permission and brought in a friend who is a business coach (that Steve likes and has often wanted to work with us) to restructure the staff. I elevated team members for their deference to my authority over all other qualities (desperate times require desperate measures) first and second for their ability to get the job done without too much power play or talk. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">With my son the problem was similar (he had modelled off dad) but in his case the\u00a0fight I chose was about him wanting to get out on the road driving. Once I had decided the truth was he really wasn&#8217;t ready, I asked 4 other men around us (and also my daughter) who all have influence over my son. All agreed he needed more emotional maturity to be safe out on his own on the road. I let him know that until he learns better emotional regulation (not using impatience and aggression to try and get his way) I would not be helping him get his license.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">You can probably imagine how that went over with him!<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">By the time this line was drawn, however, I was more than ready to bunker down and weather out the storm. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">After a gruelling few weeks, that storm has passed now, and my son genuinely apologised yesterday for being such an angry jerk. I got a hug as well and not because he wanted anything from me except to talk. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">To his credit, if Steve hadn\u2019t taken the challenge and stepped more fully into his role as father, implementing a. and b. above, I don\u2019t believe this transformation with our son would have been possible. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">There is a chain reaction going on in our lives right now that was initiated by me putting on a cloak of authority that I chose for myself.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Later today this chain reaction will continue at the second staff meeting we have held since the restructuring at the motel. <\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">Respect for women managers, promotion for work and not talk, along with an anti bullying policy (I may post soon) will become formalised standards of our business from here.\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">So instead of the question \u201cHow do I not let a narcissist affect me?\u201d I would say a better question would be <\/span><\/p>\n<blockquote>\n<p class=\"p1\"><span class=\"s1\">How can I step up in my life so that narcissistic behaviour in others brings out the best in myself.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<\/blockquote>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>How do I not let a narcissist affect me? 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